| Change log entry 75712 | |
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| Processed by: | richwarm (2022-09-07 02:25:14 GMT) |
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<< review queue entry 71508 - submitted by 'gregboothe' >> Most of these are quite rare, and I don't understand their nuances, but I think at least the most frequent ones should be worth keeping/amending. Google hits: "略知一二" - 1 450 000 "略通一二" - 277 000 "略懂一二" - 147 000 "略之一二" - 125 000 "略举一二" - 104 000 "略写一二" - 39 400 "略谈一二" - 37 500 "略点一二" - 27 200 "略说一二" - 27 000 "略晓一二" - 15 300 "略提一二" - 15 200 "略论一二" - 13 500 "略讲一二" - 10 500 "略见一二" - 112 000 "略见一斑" - 110 000 "略窥一二" - 79 300 "略窥一斑" - 20 300 "略闻一二" - 21 900 ----------------------------------------- Editor: 1. Pleco uses the term "variant" when referring to synonyms. However, our notion of "variant" is stronger: the two expressions have to be *pronounced* the same, as well as being synonymous. In other words, they are just two ways of writing the same word (like "center" and "centre"). If two expressions are synonymous, but pronounced differently, we use the format "/see .../" 2. With only one exception (略之一二), the terms in the submission are pronounced differently to the terms they are matched up with, so we would not use the format "/variant of .../" Moreover, in some cases, the matched-up expressions don't even have the same meaning – and it's not just a matter of "nuance". For example, 略谈一二 is about *discussing* (谈) ("to discuss something in general terms"), whereas 略知一二 is about *knowing* (知) ("to have a sketchy knowledge of sth"). 略谈一二 and 略知一二 are no more synonyms (let alone variants) than 谈 and 知 are. 3. The 16 expressions in the submission are just the tip of the iceberg. There are other many similar expressions, like 透露一二 and 窺其一二 and 略知皮毛 and 得窺一二 and 窺得一二 and 略有 and 略說 etc. 4. My approach would be to a) Include/retain just a few of the most common examples (like 略知一二) and b) Refine the definitions of 略 and 一二 in such a way that the user can figure out the meaning of other expressions of the form 略+(verb) or (verb)+一二 etc. For example, 略谈一二 can be understood as "sketchily (略) discuss (谈) just a bit (一二)". I don't think it's necessary to include every possible expression of these types, just as English dictionaries don't need to include every possible combination of "un-...-ed". ("untempted", "unemptied" etc. don't need to be in the dictionary as long as "tempt" and "empty" etc. are there.) 5. As far as I know, "略之一二" could be just an erroneous way of writing 略知一二. I don't see 略之一二 in dictionaries, for example. 6. I get somewhat different Google results using the Verbatim option. E.g. "略见一二" - 81,200 "略见一斑" - 508,000 "略之一二" - 33,900 "略知一二" - 1,480,000 ... which suggests that 略知一二 occurs 44x more often than 略之一二, whereas your figures suggest it's only 12x. |
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# 略通一二 [lüe4 tong1 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略懂一二 [lüe4 dong3 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略之一二 [lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略舉一二 略举一二 [lüe4 ju3 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略寫一二 略写一二 [lüe4 xie3 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略談一二 略谈一二 [lüe4 tan2 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略點一二 略点一二 [lüe4 dian3 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略說一二 略说一二 [lüe4 shuo1 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略曉一二 略晓一二 [lüe4 xiao3 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略提一二 [lüe4 ti2 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略論一二 略论一二 [lüe4 lun4 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # 略講一二 略讲一二 [lüe4 jiang3 yi1 er4] /variant of 略知一二[lüe4 zhi1 yi1 er4]/ # # 略見一二 略见一二 [lüe4 jian4 yi1 er4] /variant of 略見一斑|略见一斑[lüe4 jian4 yi1 ban1]/ # 略窺一二 略窥一二 [lüe4 kui1 yi1 er4] /variant of 略見一斑|略见一斑[lüe4 jian4 yi1 ban1]/ # 略窺一斑 略窥一斑 [lüe4 kui1 yi1 ban1] /variant of 略見一斑|略见一斑[lüe4 jian4 yi1 ban1]/ # 略聞一二 略闻一二 [lüe4 wen2 yi1 er4] /variant of 略見一斑|略见一斑[lüe4 jian4 yi1 ban1]/ # # Editor: - 略 略 [lu:e4] /plan/strategy/outline/summary/slightly/rather/to rob/to plunder/to summarize/to omit/ + 略 略 [lu:e4] /brief; sketchy/outline; summary/to omit/(bound form before a single-character verb) a bit; somewhat; slightly/plan; strategy/to capture (territory)/ # - 一二 一二 [yi1 er4] /one or two/a few/ + 一二 一二 [yi1 er4] /one or two; a few/a little; just a bit/ # - 略知一二 略知一二 [lu:e4 zhi1 yi1 er4] /slight knowledge of sth/to know very little about a subject/a smattering/ + 略知一二 略知一二 [lu:e4 zhi1 yi1 er4] /to know just a little; to have a rough idea/ |