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| Processed by: | richwarm (2026-08-22 07:07:21 UTC) |
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<< review queue entry 89025 - submitted by 'gregboothe' >> Continuing the previous discussion on 苎、苧、薴, I think we should also consider: 1. It is an obscure botany term. It is also a unique simplification edge case. Those obscurities overlap and can cause misunderstandings even for experts in one area. Without getting lost in prescriptivism debate, in this case, for a dictionary, I think it's safest to defer to authorities, to not create further confusion. 2. Sources are further unreliable since some texts pass through an automatic TC→SC conversion at one or more points during processing, which normally isn't a problem, but what would we expect to find if a text was automatically simplified twice? 薺薴→荠苧→荠苎, indeed. Such a mistake can spread to others. 薺苎 even shows up in some traditional texts, and 荠薴 in simplified texts. 3. Dictionaries generally (but especially GF, LA, and MOE) agree on zhù：苧→苎 and níng：薴→苧. 4. You could make a case for a níng 苧 traditional variant, based on HDZ. https://homeinmists.ilotus.org/hd/orgpage.php?page=3407 > “荠苧”和“石荠苧”二名，最早见于唐《本草拾遗》，后亦见于《本草纲目》和《植物名实图考》。其中的“苧”为“薴”（níng）的简化字，并非“苎”（zhù）的异体。《中国植物志》第66卷在正文中错误地把“苧”改成了“苎”，但在目录和中文索引中仍采用了正确写法“苧”。 https://duocet.ibiodiversity.net/index.php?title=石荠苧属 > 註解b11: 作门屏之间解的宁（古字罕用）读zhù（柱）。为避免此宁字与寧的简化字混淆，原读zhù的宁作㝉。 https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/简化字总表（1986年版）#fn_b11 Some Zhihu deep dives: https://www.zhihu.com/question/24209743 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/24219123 ------------------ Editor: I don't think the proposed variant entry is warranted. Neither LA nor MOE recognizes 苧 as a traditional character pronounced níng, and 苧 is likewise absent from the characters listed under níng in Taiwan's Far East dictionary. No clear examples of such traditional usage have been provided in the submission, and site:.tw Google results also overwhelmingly favor 薺薴 over 薺苧[1]. Moreover, one of the cited Zhihu sources explicitly identifies HDZ's placement of the "limonene" sense under 苧 as an error, stating that it belongs under 薴 (or its variant 䔭).[2] The existing 薴|苧[ning2] entry already records the legitimate role of 苧 as the simplified form of 薴. [1] Google (verbatim) results: "薺苧" site:.tw ~ 112 "薺薴" site:.tw ~ 10,600 [2] The Zhihu article rejects HDZ's treatment: 《漢語大字典》在「苧」字的解释上也犯了同样的错误。 It then says of the níng "limonene" sense: 按照《漢語大字典》的体例应隶于「薴」（或其异体字「䔭」）条而非「苧」条。 |
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- 薺苧 荠苎 [[ji4zhu4]] /(botany) Mosla grosseserrata/(botany) Mosla chinensis/ # + 苧 苧 [[ning2]] /variant of 薴|苧[ning2]/ |