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<< review queue entry 78669 - submitted by 'cboss2' >> 谘 exists as a "simplified" character, but is not commonly used in either China or Taiwan; - discussion of 谘 https://tw.hinative.com/questions/20180044 - suggested 繁體+簡體 of this dictionary commonly shared by Baidu https://www.zdic.net/hans/%E8%AB%AE%E8%A9%A2 - 谘 is just a simplification "簡化字" https://chardb.iis.sinica.edu.tw/meancompare/8AEE/8C18 VS - 咨 is the word with an actual definiton https://chardb.iis.sinica.edu.tw/meancompare/8AEE/54A8 --------------------------- Editor: 1) You propose to delete the entry where 咨 is the trad form: - 咨 咨 [zi1] /to consult/ But 咨 is used as the trad form in several words*, such as 咨文 and 咨嗟. So we want to keep that entry (with an updated definition). * Here are some examples: 《歷代寶案》便是記載琉球黃金海上年代的官方文書。從明永樂抄到清光緒五年，其中包括皇帝的詔和敕，禮部及福建省等地方政府的咨文，琉球王給中國皇帝的表文、奏文、貢使及貢船的符文及執照等，內容雖以中琉的封貢關係為主，但也記述當時琉球與暹羅、越南、日本等的交往事務。 五月二十一日，陳水扁總統將第十屆考試院院長、副院長與考試委員提名案，以及部分監察委員與大法官補提名案，咨請立法院同意。 因此，他每每能夠在全國性的政治活動中不斷地嶄露頭角，諸如代表民主黨就布希總統在國會發表的二○○三年國情咨文作出回應，乃至於在今年七月下旬以東道主的身份，主辦在西雅圖市召開的一年一度全國州長大會。 駱家輝在評論布希總統的國情咨文時，這樣描述自己對移民的象徵性意義： "Locke himself best summed up his symbolic importance in his response to the State of the Union." 2) Officially, 咨 is not the simplified form of 諮. But for *practical* purposes, it *is* the de facto simplified form of 諮. ... which is why 兩岸詞典 indicates 咨 as the trad form of 諮, not 谘. https://www.moedict.tw/~%E8%AB%AE "zīxún", for example, is normally written as 諮詢 in Taiwan and 咨询 on the mainland. There is a Wikipedia article 諮商心理學 (counselling psychology). Its corresponding 大陆简体 article title is 咨商心理学, not 谘商心理学. If we don't treat 咨 as the simp form of 諮 in cc-cedict, we get some unpalatable consequences. For example, we would need to indicate 谘询 as the simp form for 諮詢, whereas in practice, 咨询 is the corresponding simplified form. So I'm making an exception to our usual rule* in this case, indicating 咨 as the simplified form of 諮. * The usual rule is to indicate as a simp form only what is indicated as a simp form by the documentation of the PRC simplification system (esp. the TGH: 通用规范汉字表). |
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# - 諮詢 谘询 [zi1 xun2] /consultation/to consult/to inquire/ # - 咨詢 咨询 [zi1 xun2] /to consult/to seek advice/consultation/(sales) inquiry (formal)/ # # + 諮詢 咨詢 [[zi1 xun2]] /consultation/to consult/to seek advice/(sales) inquiry (formal)/ # + 谘询 谘询 [[zi1 xun2]] /uncommon variant of 諮詢|咨詢[[zi1 xun2]]/ # # - 諮 谘 [zi1] /variant of 咨[zi1]/ # - 咨 咨 [zi1] /to consult/ # # + 諮 咨 [[zi1]] /to consult/ # + 谘 谘 [[zi1]] /uncommon variant of 諮|咨[[zi1]]/ # # Editor: + 諮 咨 [[zi1]] /(bound form) to consult; to seek advice; to take counsel/ # - 咨 咨 [zi1] /to consult/ + 咨 咨 [[zi1]] /variant of 諮|咨[zi1]/used in 咨文[zi1wen2]/used in 咨嗟[zi1jie1]/ # + 谘 谘 [[zi1]] /simplified form of 諮 (Note: In practice, 咨 is usually used in simplified Chinese rather than 谘, even though 咨 is not officially designated as the simplified form of 諮.)/ # + 諮詢 咨询 [[zi1xun2]] /to inquire; to consult; to seek advice from/ # - 咨詢 咨询 [zi1 xun2] /to consult/to seek advice/consultation/(sales) inquiry (formal)/ + 咨詢 咨询 [[zi1xun2]] /variant of 諮詢|咨询[zi1xun2]/ # - 咨文 咨文 [zi1 wen2] /official communication (between gov. offices of equal rank)/report delivered by the head of gov. on affairs of state/ + 咨文 咨文 [[zi1wen2]] /official communication (between government offices of equal rank)/report delivered by the head of government on affairs of state/ # - 咨嗟 咨嗟 [zi1 jie1] /to gasp (in admiration)/to sigh/ + 咨嗟 咨嗟 [[zi1jie1]] /(literary) to sigh; to heave a sigh/(literary) to gasp in admiration/ # + 咨請 咨请 [[zi1qing3]] /to formally request (by means of an official communication 咨文[zi1wen2])/ # - 諮商 谘商 [zi1 shang1] /(Tw) consultation/counseling/ + ＞ 諮商 咨商 [[zi1shang1]] /(Tw) consultation (on policy, trade etc)/(psychological) counseling/ # - 國際電報電話咨詢委員會 国际电报电话咨询委员会 [Guo2 ji4 Dian4 bao4 Dian4 hua4 Zi1 xun2 Wei3 yuan2 hui4] /International Telegraph and Telephone Consultative Committee (CCITT)/ + 國際電報電話諮詢委員會 国际电报电话咨询委员会 [[Guo2ji4 Dian4bao4 Dian4hua4 Zi1xun2 Wei3yuan2hui4]] /International Telegraph and Telephone Consultative Committee (CCITT)/ # - 諮客 咨客 [zi1 ke4] /(service industry) reception staff/ + 諮客 咨客 [[zi1ke4]] /(service industry) reception staff/ # - 同儕諮商 同侪谘商 [[tong2chai2 zi1shang1]] /(Tw) peer counseling/ + 同儕諮商 同侪咨商 [[tong2chai2 zi1shang1]] /(Tw) peer counseling/ # - 諮詢員 谘询员 [zi1 xun2 yuan2] /advisor/consultant/ + 諮詢員 咨询员 [[zi1xun2yuan2]] /advisor; consultant/ |