| Change log entry 80789 | |
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| Processed by: | richwarm (2023-11-10 00:30:26 UTC) |
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<< review queue entry 74434 - submitted by 'kbaiko' >> I think these should be separate entries and it's misleading to say "also pr. ke2" as if you could interchange "qiao4" and "ke2". Although they are both correct pronunciations, you have to know when to use each one and there's a correct pronunciation for each circumstance. Nobody says "ji dan qiao" (eggshell) or "hua sheng qiao" (peanut shell), everyone says "ji dan ke" or "hua sheng ke" (among many other examples). I've only ever heard qiao4 when talking about the Earth's crust, but looking on cc-cedict there are a few others like 躯壳, 甲壳, 壳牌公司, etc. According to my personal dictionary: 壳 [ke2] 坚硬的外皮 壳 [qiao4] 外层坚硬的物质 So, at least in my interpretation, 皮 implies a thin layer (like skin), so ke2 is a thin and hard outer covering. qiao4 is just a hard outer covering in general, not necessarily thin. If the editors want to keep it a single entry that's fine, but I would suggest changing the entry to 殼 壳 [ke2] /shell/carapace/crust (earth's crust etc)/also pr. [qiao4]/ since in the vast majority of daily conversation it's pronounced ke2. ----------------------------------- Editor: 1) Yes, 殼 should have two separate entries, but the distinction doesn't relate to how thin the shell is. You're reading the 皮 in 坚硬的外皮 too literally. The hull of a ship 船壳 is chuánké, not chuánqiào, despite its thickness. It's mostly about the (linguistic) register: [ke2] is a word, and is used in less formal contexts. [qiao4] is a bound form, not a word, and is used in more formal contexts. [ke2] is similar to the "kun" reading of a character in Japanese, while [qiao4] is somewhat analogous to the character's "on" reading. (E.g. 車 can be pronounced "kuruma" (kun-reading) or "sha" (on-reading), but whereas "kuruma" is a word, "sha" is not, but can appear as a morpheme in more formal-sounding words like 自動車.) 2) A further complication is that in Taiwan, [ke2] is normally used even in cases where in mainland China [qiao4] is typically used, like 地殼, 介殼, 甲殼, 殼菜, 軀殼 and 金蟬脫殼. |
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- 殼 壳 [qiao4] /shell/carapace/crust (earth's crust etc)/also pr. [ke2]/ # + 殼 壳 [ke2] /shell (usu. thin, eggshell, peanut shell, etc)/ # + 殼 壳 [qiao4] /carapace; crust (Earth's crust etc)/ # + 殼 壳 [ke2] /(coll.) shell (of an egg, nut, crab etc)/case; casing; housing (of a machine or device)/ + 殼 壳 [qiao4] /(bound form) shell/Taiwan pr. [ke2]/ |