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| Processed by: | richwarm (2021-06-17 06:12:54 GMT) |
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<< review queue entry 68735 - submitted by 'ycandau' >> 1. no effort here. =21st= 1.a lesson; a moral 2.to lecture someone; to teach (or give, read) someone a lesson (for mistake or wrongdoing) =Xinhua= (1) [lesson;moral]∶指从错误或挫折中得到的经验 水灾的教训 (2) [education and training]∶教育训练 自无教训。――《玉台新咏·古诗为焦仲卿妻作》 十年生聚,十年教训 (3) [chide;teach sb. a lesson;teach sb. moral]∶训导;训戒 狠狠地教训了他 =MoE= 教導訓戒。《儒林外史·第三一回》：「近來蒙少爺的教訓，纔曉得書是該念的。」《文明小史·第二二回》：「老夫子教訓得極是，兄弟偏見了。」似教導、教誨、教育、訓誨、訓誡 從失敗或錯誤的經驗中取得的認識。如：「你應牢記這一次的教訓，下次才不會再犯 。」 2. I like a verb sense first, a substantivized use next. I think that's nearly always so. 3. dicts give a mild (more classical?) sense as in Rulin Waishi above. "guidance" is what came to mind. 4. I don't think "moral" is fitting -- "the moral of a story" -- 教训 is the result of sth bad. But I would welcome words beyond "lesson" 5. for the colloquial use, "lecture" is evident but somewhat meh--教训他一顿. However I think "chide" is too mild, can be a short reprimand, and doesn't convey the sense that sb is given an earful in order to teach him a lesson. 6. I think 頓 would apply only to "talking-to" |
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# ii: 教訓 教训 [jiao4 xun5] /(teach someone or learn a) lesson (i.e. obtain wisdom from an experience)/ # miles: 教訓 教训 [jiao4 xun5] /a lesson/a moral/(to teach sb or to learn a) lesson (i.e. obtain wisdom from an experience)/ # karan: 教訓 教训 [jiao4 xun5] /a lesson/a moral/to chide sb./to lecture sb./ - 教訓 教训 [jiao4 xun5] /lesson/moral/to chide sb/to lecture sb/ # + 教訓 教训 [jiao4 xun5] /to provide guidance/to lecture sb/talking-to/lesson (learnt from adversity or mistake)/CL: 番[fan1], 頓|顿[dun4]/ + 教訓 教训 [jiao4 xun5] /to provide guidance/to lecture sb/to upbraid/a talking-to/a bitter lesson/CL:番[fan1],頓|顿[dun4]/ |